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Lynne's First Viewpoint Letter
Posted mid-September 1999

Why is it that I so often hear the remark that certain dances won't be called at functions/classes  simply because there will only be a handful of dancers on the floor - in other words "the dance hasn't taken off". 

Now I can to a certain extent understand that at many one-off functions the dance floor has to be `filled' for the majority of the time; - surely not all the time - however at the regular weekly classes this should not apply at all.

Usually there are fewer dancers on the floor when it is a difficult dance that not many can be bothered to persevere with, or they dislike the music.

As an Instructor I know instinctively what will be popular and what will not.  However, with the diversity of taste and ability, I need to cater for all and therefore it is a question of balance.   I know I will never please everyone all the time so very seldom talk in general terms such as "my class hate that dance" simply because I know there will always be a few who love it.

As an Instructor who chooses to teach a specific dance, it is my duty to `call' that dance even if there is only one person on the floor.   That one person took the trouble to learn and practise that dance and therefore I owe it to that person to keep that dance `alive' whether it be at a function or class.  The only time I will never `call' a dance again is if there is NO-ONE on the floor and that has never happened!

Lynne

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WOW - lots of interesting replies to this one.  Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to write - it's always good to hear other people's opinions even if they don't necessarily agree with your own. 

All of the following replies are entered in the date order they were received i.e the most recent at the top.

(19 Oct)
Lorraine, what is so wrong with dancers being on the floor all the time dancing to the dances old and new?  If somebody wants to dance all the time then that is their right.  If a dancer remembers every dance taught then good luck to them.  Why does this bother you so much and why does this make them posers?  What gives you the right to decide that a dance should be `dead and buried?’   I’m sure many a choreographer would not thank you for that remark.  A lot of these old dances still continue to be highly motivating to a lot of dancers today.
As for me, yes, perhaps you would consider me a `poser’ as I do like to dance all the time.  Line dancing has filled a niche in my life and I have discovered that I am able to express myself in a way I never knew.  I also get a lot of pleasure watching other dancers who are far more talented than myself.  But I don’t consider them posers, just people who have a talent.  I accept that there are dancers better than me.
Maybe you can’t – and that’s what is irritating.

Karen Neidus
London

I couldn not have said it better myself Karen.   Those are exactly my thoughts.
Lynne

(19 Oct)
Dear Karen
You lighten up!  There are a lot of dancers out there who do request dances wanting to be the only one on the floor.  Once they’ve danced in front of everyone, they either sit out for the rest of the evening or pop their coat on and go home.  Karen, don’t tell me that’s not `posy’.
I’ve been dancing for over 3 years and in that time I’ve never requested a dance – I go with the flow, old or new.
So Lorraine, I totally agree with you.

Liza Bunting
Reading

(15 Oct)
You’ve thrown the ball back in my court Karen!  (letter dated 11th Oct.)
I didn’t write anything about not having fun or not being challenged by a dance; merely that I didn’t want to hang around in the past dancing the old dances and that I didn’t want the posers to the given the floor space to show off.  I do have fun and dance to the best of my ability but object to watching the select few who want to show that they can remember every dance they have ever learnt.  I want to join in with everything and keep learning new dances and still believe that Lynne's Viewpoint allows the posers centre stage.
Maybe you are one of those posers that so irritate me and like to show off the obscure dances – i.e. the ones we learnt so long ago and that they are now dead and buried.

Lorraine Pereira
Birmingham

I am unsure what your problem is with `posers’.  Are you mistaking the word `poser’ for a good dancer?  In fact if you talk in terms of `posers’ then maybe you could equate that to dancers who want to show off the latest dances and more difficult dances.  Or is the problem that you can’t remember the old dances yourself?
Either way, thanks for replying Lorraine.  Debating a topic is what this page is all about.

Lynne

(11 Oct)
I felt I must respond to Lorraine.  I’m sorry but I find that attitude totally `off’.  We all go line dancing to HAVE FUN and dance to the best of our ability.  Some of us are able to hear and feel the music and if that means that we look `posy’ then I’m sorry, but that is not the intention.  It just means that we are losing ourselves in the dance and having a fantastic time.  I also don’t know what is wrong with dragging up `old favourites’.   I remember when I first started dancing, that every dance I learnt held a challenge.  Yes, sure there are loads of new ones these days to all popular modern music which are more of a challenge in terms of requiring us to actually move our bodies and sway with the music.  Great. But I do have fond memories of the older dances too and I don’t understand what is meant by an `obscure’ dance.  Lighten up, Lorraine.  Dance to the best of your ability, dance to the dances you enjoy and have a great time, but please don’t knock others who are doing just that too.

Karen Neidus
London

I agree totally Karen.  Thanks for writing and making your point.
Lynne

(11th Oct)
I do love it when someone sets themselves up as a self-appointed authority on a subject.   Your sheer arrogance amazes me in that you think you can nominate yourself as a line dancing Agony Aunt - whatever next? - a little surgery somewhere and we could all come along and get `cured' by you?
Who the hell gives you the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't be doing?   I would love to hear your `viewpoint' on that subject although I doubt I will see this particular letter posted on the pages of your web site!

Anon
A letter sent to the video address

Dear Anon,
You have completely misunderstood the purpose of this Viewpoint page.
By its definition, `Viewpoint' is an expression of one's personal feelings or beliefs and not, as you suggest, an Agony Aunt dictating to people what they should or shouldn't be doing.  The whole purpose of putting the Viewpoint page on this site was to exchange ideas and opinions about line dancing topics with others.  This has clearly been achieved, judging by the response we've had so far.
Yes I am proud that I have carved a very successful career as a line dance professional.   But that does not make me arrogant or a self-appointed authority on my subject as you suggest; in fact, such a vehement accusation about someone you do not know is totally unfounded.
Once again, the jealousy and back-biting that exists in certain areas of the line dance world has reared its ugly head; perhaps I should make that the next talking point on my Viewpoint page..........
Lynne

(7th Oct)
I would like to respond to your Viewpoint on keeping dances `alive’ for the sake of those who have bothered to learn them. Personally I just feel there are far too many dances around at the moment and now we are being confronted with about 5 different versions of a dance to one piece of music – Mambo #5 and La Vida Loca to name but two. Goodness knows how many dances are flying around to those two songs and it is all so confusing for us poor dancers, as everywhere we go they seem to be dancing a different version to the one we have learnt.  How in heaven’s name are we supposed to remember the steps to all these new dances as well as all the old ones?  I think it’s about time someone shouted `STOP’ and we had a break from new dances for a while.  I know it’s not going to happen but I can dream can’t I.

Caroline Glynn
Norfolk

Caroline, you sure have a point.  It also gets confusing trying to decide which one to teach.   One can never stop the desire of any choreographer to choreograph a dance and, of course, when certain pieces of music hit the pop charts it makes it a dead certainty for many to choreograph in the hope their dance will be spread and be the one to do.  You might as well stop dreaming.  My personal advice is to learn one and dance that one at the side if you visit other venues and they are doing a different dance, as long as the Instructor/deejay doesn't mind.
Lynne
 

(7th Oct)
Lynne, at my club I put a list out on the corner of the stage, which always gets passed around the room during the course of the evening.  This list is of all the dances we have ever danced in alphabetical order.  It tends to serve as a memory jogger for the class members and because of that the old dances get requested quite regularly.  I totally agree with you, we should keep these great dances alive otherwise they die away along with some of the classic music tracks they have been choreographed to.  A mixture of old and new is definitely what is needed.

Jason Ely
Fellow Instructor

What a brilliant idea.  I might try that too.  Thrilled to hear you don't treat dances as `here today and gone tomorrow'.
Lynne
 

(7th Oct)
I would like to respond to Lorraine’s answer to your `Viewpoint’.  Personally I couldn’t care less if someone gets up to pose on the dance floor.  If they turn out to be a really fantastic dancer then I love to watch because I love to see good dancers and pick up tips.  At our club there are a number of other teenage dancers like myself who enter competitions and we often do a dance when there are just a couple of us on the floor.   It gives us the opportunity to test our skills on the rest of the class, and no-one ever complains when we do in fact they seem to love it.

Rory O’Sulivan
Newry - N. Ireland

Rory, I would love to watch you too!!
Lynne

4th Oct
I only started line dancing 6 months ago and would welcome the opportunity to learn some of the older dances instead of loads and loads of new ones.  I spend a good deal of the evening sitting out watching the others and wishing I could join in.  Unfortunately I'm not the type who can learn a dance cold from a piece of paper nor am I confident or good enough to just get up and have a go.  I did once mention to my instructor that I would love to learn T Bone Shuffle and she laughed and said that they had all learnt it years ago and were getting bored with it now so it wasn't really worth bothering.  When I was leaving she handed me a sheet of paper covered in type and told me that I could always learn it at home - some hopes! 

Heather Strongman
Devon

Heather, I can understand your frustration, but can also understand how awkward it is from an instructor's point of view as well as she is obviously catering to people who have been coming to her for a long time.  She also seems to put a lot of emphasis on new dances which is different to being asked to teach a dance she has already taught a long time ago.   Maybe you should look around for another instructor who suits your needs more?
Lynne

(4th Oct)
Lynne, I read your viewpoint with interest.  Has it never occurred to you that you could just be playing into the hands of the poseurs – I’m sure we all know them!  The people who just love being the centre of attention, and who would just relish the opportunity to take `centre stage’.  I don’t know about you but I get really irritated with people who spend their evenings requesting the most obscure dances they can think of just to show that they can do them or have the mental power to remember one they learnt a million years ago.  In our class we all enjoy learning the latest dances – we don’t want to hang around in the past, dragging up all the `old favourites’.

Lorraine Pereira
Birmingham

Lorraine, There is nothing posy about any dancer wishing to dance a dance they have learnt at my class, irrespective of when it was taught or how many people there are on the floor.   I also think the word `obscure' is irrelevant in this instance and I am unsure what you meant by that.  If you mean just any dance, irrespective of it having been taught in my class or not, well that to me is a different subject.  I also don't think anyone who requests a dance they haven't danced for ages is requesting it just for the simple reason of showing off one's memory (or trying to test mine).  I would hope it is because they genuinely want to dance that particular dance, even if it is 3 years old.
We also don't spend the whole evening dancing `old favourites' as you imply.   A mixture of `old' and `new' is what works best, in my opinion.  I really see no point in teaching, learning and dancing a dance, and then for it to be dropped 6 weeks later.
Lynne  

(29th Sept)
Lynne,  Don’t you feel uncomfortable when the floor is almost empty? If I were to call a dance and only one person were to walk onto the floor I would feel embarrassed for that person. You are absolutely right – you do have to strike a balance, but I feel that I owe it to my class to give them the opportunity to learn all the `popular’ and `up-to-date’ dances so that when they go elsewhere they can join in with the fun. Line dancing is a social activity so why on earth would anyone want to dance alone?

Sheilagh Baird
Lancaster

Sheilagh, I understand what you are saying but if you really like a dance, why should you care how many people are on the floor? Surely all that would matter in this case is the opportunity to dance the dance.   There is very seldom literally one person on the floor (I just mentioned a figure to illustrate my point) and anyway, if that was the case, I would always dance that dance with the dancer.
Thanks
Lynne

(29th Sept)
I was most interested to read your `Viewpoint’ with regards dropping dances. I have been line dancing for 4 years and I have to admit that it is something that really rankles with me as well. I used to attend an extremely popular venue on a regular basis because it was fun and lively and, on the whole, I loved the dances they taught. I remember them spending about 3 weeks teaching a dance called `The News’ to `No News’ by Lonestar. It was a tricky dance but because I love the music I spent absolutely ages persevering with it, and the dance was really lovely. Well, I think that in all I danced that dance 6 times and then it never appeared again – despite me repeatedly requesting it. In the end I was told that because it was unpopular they wouldn’t be doing it any more.

I wish there were a few more instructors like you as I still mourn the passing of that wonderful dance. Unfortunately, the once popular venue ran into troubles as their dancers started going elsewhere – I wonder why?

Best wishes from
Janine Freeman
Muswell Hill

Thanks Janine, your words mean a lot to me.  It feels good to know that there are others who share in my sentiment and train of thought.
p.s.  I know which club you are talking about.
Best Wishes

Lynne

(28th Sept)
Dear Lynne,
In answer to your `viewpoint’ on appealing to the masses, I would like to say this. I have been line dancing now for almost 8 years and have lost count of the number of dances that I have learnt over this period. I have seen everything from waltzes to cha-cha’s and mambo’s to rumbas. I’ve shimmied, shuffled, shivered and shook and even twisted, crawled, jumped, jived and wailed. In fact, you name it and I’ve learnt it. Some I’ve loved and some I’ve positively hated and if I think really hard there are dozens of dances that haven’t seen the light of day for years. Occasionally, they have started off being fairly popular and once the first flush of interest fades and the floor becomes less and less full, then they have faded into obscurity to be consigned to the archives.

I have to say, your sentiment is very noble but I really can’t see how, with so many dances now on the circuit, you can hope to put this into practise. You have to be ‘practical’ and there must have surely been occasions whereby you have just had to admit defeat and quietly commit a dance to the scrap heap, or if you haven’t then I bet you wish you could!

There are some dances that will never ever die – the good old `Tush Push’ to name but one, which is arguably one of the best dances ever choreographed. And what about Black Coffee – an absolute classic if ever there was one, and it’s now being danced to all manner of different popular tracks.

Take my tip Lynne, if you drop an unpopular dance no-one will hold it against you. The majority will be grateful and you won’t have to bother lugging the CD around in your collection any more.

Happy Dancing
Timothy Riley
Winchester, Hants.

Actually Timothy, I do take your point , but practically it can and does work.  Is there not one single dance you learnt ages ago that your instructor/club is now not doing, yet you would still love to do?  If so, why not request it and see what happens.
As for carrying all the CD's, yes you certainly have a point there.  If a dance   I taught three years ago is requested and I don't have that particular CD with me, all I do is say I will bring it the next week - problem solved!
Regards,

Lynne

(28th Sept)
Don't you think that if you spend the whole evening dancing unpopular dances, the other dancers would get bored?

Katrina Whatling
Sutton

Katrina, I'm not suggesting `unpopular' dances should be danced all evening.  The point I am making is that if a dancer is going to learn a dance, he/she should feel confident that if it turns out to be `an unpopular' dance for whatever reason, in other words the majority don't like it, it should not stop the minority dancing it.
Lynne

(28th Sept)
I do get fed up learning all these dances and then after a few weeks they are not danced again.  I would rather go through the old ones than learn hundreds of new ones.  A bit fed up I am.

Allan Kiernan
Dorset

Allan I do understand what you are saying but if we just do old dances all the time the excitement goes out of it, I think.
Thanks for replying
Lynne

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